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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 24, 2007 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

was just posted by average joe

" As far as what era's of the Dead you should get into, my opinion is the only era's you should pay any attention to are the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. With heavy doses of '68 through '74. Peace. "

Hard to argue with that

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Nov 25, 2007 7:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

Thank you for the kind words. They are appreciated.
A few days back Tito told me that everyone is always shitting themselves over '73 and '74.
Yesterday I was listening to 8/22/72 and during the Playin' and the Truckin'> Drums > The Other One > Stella Blue and I have to say Tito was right. I shit myself. A little later today I plan on listening to 4/8/72 and doing it again. :) Peace.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 25, 2007 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

LOL! Yes, I'm a shitter too : )

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 25, 2007 10:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

"hard to argue with that"...

except of course, that I'd love to argue with that...

a lot of the kids today don't wanna know about the "sixties" their parents have tried thousands of times to ram down their ears,
but the kids immediately pick up on the hardcore (or pre-punk) sixties... bands like -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pre-punk_groups

so, the GD they can stomach is not the mellow jazzy jams favored by seasoned heads such as Tito&Smokey (lol) from '91,
but rather the balls to the walls onslaught of GD from the years 1966 - 1967.

And they don't especially like the '68 GD - too long, too meandering; and they don't like the '69 GD at all (too mellow, too stretched out, and they don't give two shits for the country ditties even from the best of the 1970 era lps or live shows,

and they nash their teeth when forced to listen to the good-time '71 Chuck Berry/Buddy Holly covers, paired with GDTRFB, etc...

and don't even try to play them the Donna years or regal them with the best of Brent.

You'll only make a fool of yourself(ves).

I warned you...


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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 26, 2007 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

" a lot of the kids today don't wanna know about the "sixties" their parents have tried thousands of times to ram down their ears, "

Sure, I can't blame them. It IS annoying. I had a communication/speech teacher ( it was a requirement ) in College that used to drone on and on about being " a child of the 60's" as she huffed off her inhaler and claimed to catch a buzz from it. She was basically a complete sterotype of a narcissistic child of the 60's in love with hearing herself talk.

I understand where you are coming from but I think you are wrong. As much as WE might think 65-67 Dead as Punk, anyone into say the Velvet Underground as a pre-punk thing aren't going to see it that way. They're going to hear the cheesy organ and overlong guitar solo's. I was addressing , as I think Joe was too, any newcomer that is expressing an interest in the band. To do so pretty much implies some sort of musical open mind imo. Now even if we go with your theory of a newcomer/kid/punk thing then I would think the music would be reaching more along the lines of what Rick Rubin was/is doing. What do you do when you run out of things to be punk about? Well the only place to go then is to explore the roots.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 26, 2007 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

well said, and of course some of the punky mid-'60s bands used cheezy organs as well - Farfisas and Vox Continentals were in every other garage bands set-up!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=9961727


I really have met a number of "kids" (not 5 year olds, but 20 somethings on up) since the late '80s who really did draw the line at the 1st GD lp, they accepted that as part of the rockin' garage punk roots bands, and it took a long time and the right tapes to open their ears to anything else by the Dead,
I only speak from personal experience, realizing this can't be true for every one everywhere...

a lot of what I write in this vein is said with a bit of self-effacement, not to be taken as absolute final word, no siree!

I meself like a lot of later GD, as well as the raw primitive cheezy stuff from '65-'66!

It's all good!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 26, 2007 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

it's all good indeed!

Hey speaking or early punk, I saw something missing off that list you linked - surf music. I have this CD - revenge of the surf instrumentals. If that isn't pre-garage grunge punk I don't know what is. I was glad to see the Kinks make that list though.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 26, 2007 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

hey johnnyonthespot, you could go wild dl'ing surf lps gratis from this blahg...

http://rideyourpony-twighlightzone.blogspot.com/search?q=surf

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 26, 2007 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

" themes for bathing beauties and woodies"

LOL!

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Nov 26, 2007 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

I think any kid who has something forced onto them is going to rebel against it. You did it, I did it, my son does it. It's just a part of trying to assert independence and individualism.
All you can really do is introduce them to it and let them make their own decision about what they like or not. I mean most kids aren't going to like broccoli or brussel sprouts but you should at least provide them the opportunity to try it decide for themselves.
I think my boy is like most kids, he loves music that has a good beat and is heavy on melody. He digs what is hot now, Hannah Montana, the Jonas Brothers and stuff like that. But he also sings along with Franklin's Tower and Fire on the Mountain.
Peace.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 26, 2007 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

Hey Joe. We have something in common. My 9 year old daughter says that " Hanna Montanna rocks!" LOL! Unlike your son she completely shuns the Dead now ( she used to like them ) but I did catch her digging on a Franklin's a few weeks ago. My 5 year old son on the other hand likes everything and takes particular joy in singing Sugaree to bug the crap out of his sister : )

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Nov 26, 2007 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

Yes, Hannah is all the rage this year. My sister in law got tix and took my son a couple weeks back. He had a blast. I guess Billy Ray sang a duet with her. My wife was jealous about that.
Siblings tormenting each other, sounds like all is well in your house. :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 26, 2007 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

I hope she got tix for a reasonable price. I hate scalpers as it is but when they do it to kids then it's extra shitty.

Yep all is well at my house, hope the same for you : )

It was funny, the other day I picked the kids up and put in a Sugaree. Well my daughter didn't catch on but I'm looking in my rear view mirror and all of a sudden I see this HUGE gleam in my son's eye as he starts looking at his sister wondering how long it will take for her to lose it. He loved it.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 24, 2007 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

Hey JOTS, That is good advice. How jealous are you of people that are just now discovering the GD, get it, and then have 30 f'in years of phenomenal music to choose from. I wish I could erase some parts of my mind and get into it all over again...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 24, 2007 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

I hear you Pat. Although I wouldn't trade getting to actually experience it in the moment. That's kinda burned into my sould you know?

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Poster: Steve Birdman Date: Nov 24, 2007 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

you could pretty much call me a new comer and ive been really really getting into the gd for a good two years and Ive found that the shows on archives with best quality and shows are the 73 to 78 shows. Maybe I am a big Estimated Prophet, WRS, and Franklin Tower fan but the sets flow real nice. I also like alot of their younger shows with NRPS and acoustic sets, but havent found to many great audio quality shows like that. just a perspective for those older dead heads

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 24, 2007 9:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

Hey Steve--check out the 6-7-70 and 9-20-70 shows for great quality here at LMA, with semi-electric and acoustic sets.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 24, 2007 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some of the best advice to a newcomer that I've ever seen

Ain't it the truth, Pat? I think about having lived thru the 'dark ages' in terms of limited tapes, with absolutely terrible quality...if I had happened upon a site like this in those early days I would have just died...when I think of the AUDs we were happy to get back in the day...the quality really was sad; I couldn't play it for folks that didn't get it...now, I can pick ten shows out of my favorite couple of years, and be certain of getting high quality SBDs to boot.

Times have changed.